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Moses has a near miss death as a baby, is sent away, grows up away from the parents that he knew, raised by a stranger, kills a guy defending him, is chased off into the desert, spends 40 years away from the now second family that he had to leave behind, then is called by God, has to leave yet a third family behind, leads the people out of Egypt, deals with constant unbelief all around him yet presses on, then .... he strikes a rock to get water for the people who finally drive him nuts, and for that one thing, God disallows him from setting foot into the promise land that he went through all of this for, and dies.

 Why?

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GAK
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I have always wondered about that myself. Maybe Moses only destiny was to lead the people out? Maybe if Moses had gone over, Joshua wouldn't have been able to take his place as leader of the people? It's a great question. Something to ponder on.

Val

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Hmmm.. Never thought about it like that Val that could be. The only other case I can think of that was "this" extreme was the guy who tried to stop the ark of the covenant from falling, touched it and died over it...

 Know of any others? Even Soddom & Ghamorra (sp?) wasn't destroyed until it was filled with nothing but wickedness...

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GAK
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What is Moses most known for? Delivering the Ten Commandments. We cannot talk about Moses apart from God's law.

rookie - member
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My thoughts on this might or might now make sense, we will see :)
First, I THINK, it is possible that Moses was raging within himself, over issues related to " leading " these people. Pointing out his background the way you have makes me wonder this. At the point of Him Hitting the rock, he lost it. I don't think it was so much what the flesh did as what was going on the inside. God still allowed the the water to flow out, amazing to me and probably to Moses too. God didn't just leave Moses, He showed him the promised land. In my mind must have been an awesome time for moses. Think about it, after raging and lashing out against God, here they view that land together ( in my mind ). And God buried moses to me shows gentleness, I like to think this shows God was right there with moses holding his hand as he died.
Move forward to Christ on the Cross, After He had given up the ghost, a soldier comes by and stabs Him in His side. Water flowed out, I don't know about you all but I see connection here, guess you could call it a thirst quenching, soul cleansing promise/connection. I will stop here, let you all pick this apart or add to. Thanks for listening :)

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paross.. Is this a memory thing - I'm thinking awfully hard over here and not tying it together. Moses. Ten commandments. Not apart from the law. Moses strikes rock and like soothing said, did "get" to see the promised land, obviously a good thing as she stated, but at the same time, very extreme in comparison to God's patience with others. "Why" didn't he get to step foot in the promised land? I thought about what Val said, but even if Moses had not been told that he couldn't step foot there, and had gone in and died a week later, it wouldn't have changed Joshua's position as far as I understand things?

Bases are full - bring us home.. :-)

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GAK
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Soothing, Right. Christ is the Rock from which the everlasting water flows.

GAK,'Because you did not trust Me enough to affirm My sanctity in the sight of the Israelite people, therefore you shall not lead this congregation into the land that I have given them.' (Numbers 20:8,11,12).

In attempting to understand the nature of Moses' transgression, it is important to compare this biblical account with Moses' interpretation of the incident when he refers to it in his farewell address to the nation. Moses recounts the sin and punishment of the 10 scouts and the generation swayed by their report, and then adds: "Because of you the Lord was incensed with me too, and God said, 'You shall not enter it either.' " (Deuteronomy 1:37)

Moses further recounts that in the incident of the scouts, the initiative for dispatching the envoys emanated from the nation. However, according to the text, they merely wanted to ascertain the safest access roads and the best approach to the Promised Land. But Moses broadened the instructions and mandated the messengers to scout out the military capability of the inhabitants as well as the fortification of the cities.

To be sure, Moses never expected that they would return and convince the Israelites that attempt at conquest would be folly. But herein lies the fatal flaw in Moses' leadership: He thought he could broaden the mandate to the envoys but never expected that panic might set in and thwart the entire venture of entry into the Promised Land. He clearly overestimated his people.

At that time, however, Moses is not yet punished; he may have misjudged, but a leader cannot be condemned for overestimating his nation.

However, now comes the follow-up test. When the people are complaining for water, God tells Moses to take the staff and speak to the rock. The rock symbolizes the Israelite nation, hard and obstinate as a rock. "Speak to it," says God, "and you will extract life-giving and Torah-true waters even from this stubborn nation."

Moses misses the point. He sees a willful band of upstarts and shouts, "listen now you rebels," (Deuteronomy 20:10) striking out against the rock - the nation - instead of loving them.

This time Moses underestimates his people, refusing to recognize their objective suffering as well as their ability to repent. Now God punishes him, divinely understanding that a shepherd who underestimates his flock, who loses proper love and appreciation for them, cannot continue to lead them.

from Rabbi Shlomo Riskin.

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paross - Interesting. Thanks for posting. It still seems more severe than in other cases in the OT. For instance, Abraham and his wife / the sister lie. Or how about Jonah, in comparison?

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GAK
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The more responsibility a person has the more severe his judgment. It just the way things are. Moses had a lot on his plate, a lot of responsibilities leading Israel out of civilization into the desert. And then receiving the Ten Commandments.

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